[♪ theme music ♪] good morning, and welcome to the "stephanie miller show" on current tv. i guess it's "talking liberally" here is what i should say. welcome to "talking liberally." i'm john fugelsang. thank you so much for joining us. so much going on in the world today considering that nothing is going on in the world today because everyone is still on vacation in washington, d.c. the only way to have anything going on is to have the power and grace of jacki schechner.

>> good morning. >> good morning. it's my last day to suck up to you. >> you have doing a good job. >> you are only one of the journalists in television who got it right on the supreme court ruling last week. >> stop. >> fox and that other channel are very jealous of you and your power. >> if only that was true. employers added 80,000 jobs last night. it all keeps the unemployment rate at where it has been at 8.2%. the unemployment remains higher at 11%. we're expecting the president to talk about these numbers amongst other things while on his bus tour in ohio. in other news new york representative charlie wrangle thought his primary win was all

wrapped up but the 21-term congressman is still waiting to find out whether he has his 22nd term. just 802 votes separate the two. and now all absentee and affidavit ballots have to be counted by hand. they want a full recount. but in order to trigger any sort of recount the gap would have to shrink to one-half of one percent. he also wants a complete do over, but a court would have to get involved. scott walkerened up spending more than $35 million to defeat tom barrett last month.

that is the same amount spent in 2010 by all candidates and interest groups in wisconsin combined. we're back with more after the break. stay with us. you won't want to miss it. >> his camel had just eaten the last of his designer italian frames. >> camels! >> i don't think he trusted me. some of my people had tried to get him involved in pyramid schemes. >> those egyptians are always in denial. >> he arrived squinting. so i reached out to him and said wear these, idiot. >> and i see the most beautiful woman, bellisima! she wearing the sunglasses foster grant. she taught me so much. about life, love, about affordable fashion forward eye ware. i love her so much, i tattoo her name. it is a eyeball. who is behind the foster grants? anthony! >> cleopatra. >>that's who.

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great time. on current tv we're called "talking liberally." pretty good tv show. good crew here. for a week when nothing happened in america, so much happened in america, and i couldn't be more excited about the people we have saved up for the last day. i'm joined by trayvon free. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. we have a lot to talk about, but today we'll have katherine eebin who wrote the piece on the fast and furious. which will be the interview your right-wing friends don't want you to here. wayne paul in the great state of washington will be joining us. and right now i'm going to go to the phones because i'm so excited to have booked for our

last day here one of my favorite americans, shelley wright who is not just a county singer she is an inspiration to lbgt americans and people who just hate bigots. please welcome to the show the one, the only the luminous shelley wright. good morning. oh, wait -- hang on -- >> good morning. >> are you there? >> good morning, john. >> how are you. i'm great what a great introduction and what a greatest teemed panel you have today. >> a lot of good people. we even david brodie who wrote a book about evangelicals. >> i saw an interview with him earlier this week on one of the cable networks and you are going to have a good time there. >> yes. and i want to thank you -- i

have been filling in for current tv all month. and you were kind enough chely, to join me in studio last week. and that got so much great reviews. so i wanted to get you here one last time. thank you. >> you know i love steph, and any time i can be on her airs is fun. i have to tell you i received so many comments from people saying that was the best most dynamic interview i have been able to do in a long time. >> thank you. i stretched beforehand so it worked out well. and what happened with current was al gore let the chimp through the dart and it landed on me. >> i love it. >> chely when you first came out

it was unheard of for a country star, and now we're looking at a week when two very well-known, different public figures have been able to follow your lead. i'm talking about rapper frank olson, and mr. anderson cooper my buddy from cnn. >> yeah, it has been a great week, and i have been doing a lot of press on that topic this week. and a couple of schools of thought, there is one journalist who said coming out is no big deal anymore. so this is basically finished -- >> yeah, if john boehner does it, it's a big deal trust me. >> yeah. that's a little bit off the mark. i like that it shouldn't be a big deal. of course it shouldn't be. it shouldn't be something somebody has to announce but that's where we are.

and somebody did an interview yet from somebody from barrat. and the different ways that people are coming out now. and anderson cooper just responded to a letter -- to an email that he was given, and i think what is really important to remember is truly not necessarily the person -- of course it's the person that comes out, but it's about their audience -- >> exactly. >> to whom they are speaking. and i think frank ocean has a very similar coming out. he had records that will drop next week that identify him as a gay man, and he wrote a poetic letter months ago, which is why i wrote my book because i knew i needed to talk to my fan base and let them know this isn't

just an announcement hey i'm gay. we feel like we want to make a commitment to our fans and that's why anderson's and frank's coming out were very different. >> exactly. >> and we are making incredible progress, and i cried when i heard about frank. >> and don lemon did it a year before either one of them on cnn. >> yes. which was another incredible step because he is an african american man. and as we all know they are a little bit behind on equality and understanding, but there is a stigma in that community. >> let's be honest and say there is still a stigma in the caucasian community as well. >> you are right, john. and i get really frustrated when people say we're good.

we're fine. it's no big deal anymore. no one cares. people care. people care because i receive hundreds of letters every week from people saying i'm scared to come out or i just came out and i got kicked out of my house. >> that's straight saying that that we have moved beyond that. there is nothing funnier to me than when a white person says we have moved beyond racism in this country. chely i'm joined in studio by travon free and he wrote a great piece about how rappers should never say the word faggot again. and lease don't be offended by they. when i think of hip hops it is

an art form that is distinctly in american poverty. you hear a lot of crappy stuff on the radio, and you have got to dig to hear the good stuff, and to me it's so amazing that we are seeing both in hip hop and country at the same time gay and lesbian artists are feeling like it is okay to come out and have it be part of their art. >> well, you are spot on and travon, i would love to read your article and i would agree with you, those defamiliartory words should never be used. i have always felt that country music and hip hop have really resided on the same latitude on a line. and we have a conservative -- as you say the art form was born out of poverty and it was really

america and the impet us for it to rise up and be popular. but we have an outed country artist and outed hip hop artist. >> right. i wrote a piece about him on the 4th, that i think they'll probably put up today on "the urban daily," but when i read that -- i haven't read an opinion piece in a while because i have been so busy. people kept asking me what do you think, so i wrote it. and it's on my blog right now. and even with the don't say faggot thing in hip hop, even now, the creator uses it all the time. >> yep. >> and in a way i think is

irresponsible, because his audience is primarily young kids who are going to school and calling people faggots -- >> can't they just be wholesome and call women bitches? >> right. absolutely. you know -- i don't. perhaps the two of them -- because i know they are both friends -- i know they are friendly, and i would love for them to sit down and perhaps -- you know, i think frank is going to have some great opportunities to be up to speed and informed about the -- you know the situation at hand with young kids. [ inaudible ] will be able to reach out to him, and first of all congratulate him and thank him and ask him to help us communicate to his audience about the dynamics of it. and then maybe frank can go to that fella and say look

helping or hurting? you are hurting. >> i would like to say kanye or jay-z come out and give him support. >> frank ocean hasn't said if he's bisexual or gay. >> and that's what they always do. whether you are bior whatever they automatically call him gay. >> my son's friend is gay. is that the future of the lbgt movement of people not declaring themselves anything? >> i'm purely speculating, about why he said what he said, and

only what he said. but i do think in a few hundred years -- and i do think it will take that long -- maybe we will be labelists about sexuality and gender identity. however, i think -- when i first came out to my first, my couple of very close friends in 2006. >> yeah. >> i said i was bi. and i said it because i had had relationships with men, and i didn't want to have to explain myself and i can't want to be considered as a liar. >> i think you should be able to self identify any way you want. and change if you choose to. >> yeah but i wanted to ease into my truth and later when i wrote my memoir i put it all on

the table. i was lying. i'm as gay as the day is long. [ laughter ] >> i guess you have to be careful with your friends and if someone is coming out or divulging things to you, let them say what they needed to say. and frank said his love was a man, and maybe he is in love with a woman now. >> yeah. >> where would that blog be? >> tell the folks out in radio land where they can hear it. >> right now it's on our website, travnfree.com. it should be up today, and on my website you can find it. >> right on. i would like to read what tyler

the creator said. i'm going to see -- my big brother finally f-ing did that finally -- that s-word or whatever. could there be anything more touching? >> i'm weeping. >> chely i read an interview where you spoke about anderson cooper. i don't know who was terribly surprised by it, but still when you are that prominent in the corporate media and been that famous for that long it probably has to be awkward. and i was really inspired that he didn't make it a big announcement on the air, but did it in a letter to andrew sullivan. and i like him because i like conflicted guys. how did you feel about that?

how did you feel about -- was that a especially tasteful way to reveal your identity to do it in a letter to a trend that was intended to go public? >> it was right for anderson. i have to take exception with the fact that you said nobody knew he was terribly surprised. but has anderson ever told you he was gay? >> no. >> but i have shared a makeup room with him many times, and i have a nuclear caliber gay-dar, so i'm pretty good. >> you do. but i promise you my dad did not know. i promise you that -- and -- and i have been reading some posts, you know middle america, some -- there are some comments saying i had no idea.

>> that's true. >> they don't hear what we hear. they are not even on the fringe of the business and a lot of folks don't even take the time to google is anderson cooper gay? >> that's true. >> the way he came out it was again about his audience. it was a genuine response in my opinion. and it became an issue, as he said he started to think that people thought he was ashamed for keeping quiet, which i thought that at times, i wondered it. but i think it became such a big deal, when is he going to come out, ho didn't want to do the big event. he just wanted to answer a letter very thoughtfully. he just aid this is my reason, and it seemed genuine to me, but i loved that he said i do see the value in standing up and being counted.

>> absolutely. and i have so much respect for him. when i was younger in the early '90s, it was all about the outing movement which i always thought was in very pour taste. so chely, how can people see your film? >> they can go to wish me away -- >> it's on pay per view. >> yes, they can see it on any carrier on demand in some theaters, and also it's going to be on -- i think show time in october for coming-out month. >> brilliant. thank you so much for calling in this morning. >> john, i love you and i love talking to travon. >> you too chely. >> all right.

a lot more coming up on the "stephanie miller show." >> ladies and gentlemen, prepare yourself for a shock. >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ ♪

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♪ john fugelsang along with freeh freeh. what did you just say about coke mow. >> that song was actually written about romney's bank account. >> i had no idea. good morning, jacki schechner how are things going in the big wild world of professional grown-up news? >> we're good. we're keeping an eye on the job reports news. >> yeah. >> obviously it's the quick draw

reaction we'll have in a couple of minutes, by it's all of the things you might expect. the president is not right for the job, and mitt romney's business experience, blah blah blah. mitt romney is going to give his reaction to the jobs numbers any minute now. he is still vacations in new hampshire. the numbers just came out. 80,000 jobs added last month, but that doesn't move the unemployment rate which is still stuck at 8.2%. as we listen to mitt romney of what he said when he was governor. the progressive group, american bridge 21st century has uncovered a video, where romney is explaining these things take time and we need patience. >> when i came in the jobs were falling for 11 months.

and now they have come around and we're coming back. and that's progress. and if you are going to suggest to me that when i was elected things would immediately turn around that's silly. >> he also explains there are other factors in play like international issues. house speaker john boehner blamed the president's failed economic policies. harry reid says that the jobs report is evidence that congress needs to get moving on jobs and stop refighting the old political battles of the past. the president himself had a scheduled speech this morning at 10:45 at an elementary school in poland, ohio. we'll address the jobs reports numbers when he speaks then. stick with us.

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>> no problem. >> mitt romney's highlights it's all obama's fault, his policies don't work, so we have to do exactly what bush did, but call it something different. and we need to make rich people's taxes lower so maybe they with help the middle class. it's like the kid from ai grew up and lost his soul. i wish i had a brilliant fearless governor and host of a fine show to talk to it turns out i do. governor jennifer grandholm from the great state of michigan and also hosts "the war room," i had the tremendous honor to fill in for this brilliant thinker,

please welcome to the show, governor jennifer grandholm. >> thank you for that fearless introduction. >> i love what you are doing, and the way you are doing it. you have the outrage, but keeps it positive which is very difficult in this day and age. >> yeah, we do see rank dishonesty, and i have his speech on mute right now but i think you have characterized it exactly in terms of what he is saying. the real issue is what is his plan for moving us forward? and if it's the same old junk, why would we want to pick that since that's what got us into the mess in the first place. >> because they can't come out and say let's do exactly what bush did except not invade iraq. they want to cut taxes even

more, and if you think reagan-omics works just look around. >> i don't know that people have thought through this whole tax cut means. if you give tax cuts to the wealthy individuals and the businesses the problem is if that's your only solution and these corporations that can do business anywhere in the world get a tax cut, where are they going to put that extra money? they are going to put that extra money where they think they can make the biggest profit which is usually not in the u.s. but a lower-wage country. >> exactly.

>> and the president yesterday on china, i'm totally -- so happy to see that he has taken off the gloves and going after these cheaters globally because if we don't go after them then we are aiding and abetting the loss of jobs here as well. >> exactly. and when you talks about having a slight tax increase. you will hear the republicans say raising taxes on the rich doesn't work. >> the president a few week ago or so when he was talking about this said that businesses often learn from what their previous experience has been and that if in business you do something and it doesn't work why would you trite again? it doesn't make since. >> unless you consider the arrow stot aresy of those writing the

checks. >> it is. it is the situation we are in which is this trickle-down economics which clearly has been shown doesn't work. but we do have to -- we do have to hear these candidates and what they are planning to do moving us forward. the jobs report was not encouraging, but at least it's some progress, and if you consider the huge amount of loss on the public sector side the 600,000 public sector jobs that have been lost and what is that attributable to but those who love to drown government in a bathtub. >> exactly. >> governor this is travon i have a question for you how is -- from my understanding when the middle class has money to spend that's when the economy thrives, right? >> correct. >> how does someone like mitt romney who's plan is to squeeze

the money dry from taxes from rich people, so when i see these people who support him, it's like most of these people i assume are middle class americans who support mitt romney and all of his plans work against their economic interest. >> yeah, it is such an important question, because how do you convince people who are willing to vote against their interest to be able to change their minds? and there is something deeper going on. one of the important deep things that is going on is people just want change and when they are restless and not happy where they are they are going to vote for something else even if logically it doesn't make sense because they want to get off of the burning platform that they are on. i do think that there is also -- i mean you have to say that there is an element of the other of race. i think in some -- in some -- >> absolutely. >> in some level.

in fact i had a guy on the other day who did a study on google searches, and when you search on google you are probably pretty honest unlike what you would tell a pollster and he analyzed the states and where the highest race google searchs were coming from. a lot are from the south, and a lot are from even the blue collar areas of the industrial states. >> wow. >> so if that is an underlying issue, that's not something you can actually change. and so the question for the president is how do you pick up in other areas, and keep it to a low boil with respect to the voters who might still vote for you. i just want to say there is an amount of that that is not going to change. and not all white males are

enthusiastic about mitt romney. >> exactly. >> as a comedian a little tiny part of me enjoys mitt romney immensely. and i enjoyed it when we saw eric fehrnstrom saying it was a penalty, and then to see governor romney come out and essentially be following rupert murdoch's marching order and say it is is a tax but not when i did it, my friends. >> you have so much material. and last night we made a little corner of our show a shrine to mitt romney. we're calling it mitt's flips. and we're encouraging people to

send us their flip flops and put on the flip flop which flip flop you like best and send it to us. >> you won't have any room in studio now. >> you are going to have to move into the giants ballpark across the studio. i vote for planned parenthood. he was someone who gave money to planned parenthood and now wants to defund it. >> exactly. i wanted a size 15 flip flop because it was the mother of all flip flops -- >> it was a quadruple flip flop and he said he sided with the mine nor if i but agreed with the majority at the same time. >> it is an interesting observation about leadership and what he would be willing to do. how many flip flops he would make as president if he happens to say something that the members of his party don't agree

with. it really is being willing to be lead around by the nose. do you want somebody who is going to kowtow to the tea party. >> i don't think so. governor norquist said we want someone who can sign a signature on bills. >> exactly. and there is an interesting parallel to this going on with governors, and i'm very interested by what i'm seeing on these republican governors who are claiming they are not going to opt in to this medication expansion program. and so i -- my predictions are all going to sign on eventually. they may not say it before the election, but the pressure will be too great. here is where the pressure is

going to come from. the biggest pressure will come from their hospital systems who have benefited from federal funds to pay for the people that come into that emergency room and aren't being cared for. that money kind of goes away because they get paid on a per-person basis. the hospitals in every state are going crazy right now, saying how can you turn down 100% funding to provide health care for people with disabilities and pregnant women, children and senior citizens? how can you do that? and who is going to pick up the cost -- >> the taxpayers. exactly. in the same society it will be political suicide, but they think this is a virtue. >> exactly.

>> i had the distinct pleasure of filling in for you two weeks ago. and what a great staff you have. >> oh, thank you. >> i really had a blast. but what has it been like for you as a former governor a former chief executive of the great state now doing the grind of a daily one-hour new programming. what has the experience been like for you? and do you enjoy it? is it fun for you even in dark times like this? >> it is a really great question, because it is so totally different from actually being out there every, being governor. the biggest change is i'm in one place, and obsessed with this stuff, so that is great. i love the fact that i get to be able to spew about things i'm obsessed about all day long anyway, the race, the policies et cetera.

but i must say -- and i would be curious from your perspective, you have done a lot of this kind of stuff before. i have huge respect for those now who do these hour-long shows. i thought this is going to be a piece of cake, but there's a huge amount of work that goes into these shows, and i put? -- i give at it 12-hour day anyway. it is a different experience but it is totally fun. but now that i'm a little more comfortable, because i'm not an entertainer or been on the camera on a consistent basis like that, but now it is totally fun. i thoroughly enjoy it. >> especially the part where you have to throw out about half of the material you get every day -- >> every day.

>> half of the stuff you write and prepare in your talking points you never get to. >> right. it must be nice doing the radio part, because you are doing it for a longer period of time and you can allow these conversations to breathe. >> we try to. we have so many guests today -- >> oh, got to go. >> no. but i wanted to ask you are still teaching at berkeley while doing the show right? >> we are. the nice thing is for example in my first semiester, i have been teaching two classes, both of which i'm very passionate about, and i can draw parallel experiences from the show. >> my brother is on the faculty at berkeley so maybe one time i'll try to sneak in. >> what does he teach?

>> he is the master carpenter -- >> oh, fabulous. >> governor what advice would you give in dealing with right wing fans? >> they should watch current tv because we're giving them pointers every single day. i want my show and i know there is true for cenk uygur and eliot spitzer, you want to be able to arm progressives with the talking point to persuade. and being able to do that every single day is a huge part of what i enjoy so much about this. last night we were talking about this trade issue with china, and what mitt romney is saying. giving people that information so that they at least feel like they have a good way to come back and if uncle harry is not

persuaded at least maybe mom and dad will be. >> governor grandholm thank you so much, so much. >> thank you, john. you are doing a great job. thanks for being such a fantastic sub. >> we'll be right back where reverend sandy richards. i'm john fugelsang with freeh freeh. it's the "stephanie miller show" kids. >> announcer: okay, i just spewed on my dashboard again. it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ it's like chicken and crunchy stuff got married! i only use french's french fried onions this week, failing is good and wall street is bad. what else does vc billionaire vinod khosla think?

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♪ i feel good ♪ ♪ i knew that i would now ♪ >> it's mash up friday on the "stephanie miller show." that's james brown. i'm john fugelsang along with freeh freeh filling in. the gop candidates love to talk about jesus. and i wish they would vote for jesus. i would love to see our friends vote for a guy who was a peaceful revolutionary who hung out with hookers and crooks he was never anti-gay never mentioned abortion, premarital sec, never called the poor lazy never asked a lepper for a copay, and was a brown-skinned

jew. that was jesus. i respond i'm sorry, but i'm here to take the flag back from the creeds and jesus back from the republicans. now welcome sandy. >> i'm so happy be with you but employees don't match my baseball knowledge with yours. >> don't trust the guys on the street corners showing off how devout that are, hollering out. i take that very seriously when these guys brag and boast and then turn around and cut the help for the poor. >> right. the ladies on the bus said the

officials if you are going to hew to the baseball you have to help the homeless and give help to the poor people. >> that's matthew 25 who says you have to help the poor sick and visit those in prison. >> sheep and goats. >> the goats he is talking about the fake christians -- >> specifically they weren't christian yet. >> exactly. and so we're going to go break in a second but when we come back i want to ask you about a couple of things in this regard. i think it is the single-most bs that the republican party has. but i want to ask you more about it. we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show."

♪ >> stephanie: he's commenting on someone's athleticism. and figure. okay. >> i would like to see a punt, pass and kick challenge between rush limbaugh and barack obama. i would put $100 on who's going to win. >> stephanie: what do you say on a one on one match on the basketball court? >>we talk a lot about the influence of money in politics. it is the defining issue of this era. the candidate with the most money, does win.

♪ ♪ the doctor made me go to rehab, i said no, no no ♪ >> you are giving up aren't you in you are giving up on me? it's the "stephanie miller show." i'm john fugelsang. it's mash up friday because why listen to one when you are listen to two songs at once. tony do you not approve? these guys are amazing. >> i agree. we're here with freeh freeh, one of my favorite comedians and with the reverend sandie

richards. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> reverend i want to get your thoughts. because i'm big on the whole helping the sick and less fortunate thing that apparently makes me a horrible communist. what is your comment when they say giving health care to america is a bad thing? >> i think they don't know enough. i would like to the progressive people across the board, you can get all of the information from the website, but we think when you have a community of people the community of people need something called salam and wellness or wholeness in english, and we want to make sure everybody has what they mean to get by. we're not saying everybody needs to be rich, but we believe that

everyone should have access to healthcare in the same way -- like you call 911 when you are sick -- or not when you are sick -- but you have a 911 to call when your house is on fire -- >> specialist, police specialist public schools -- >> and wellness is part of that. people don't understand when you take care of things early on, you have a healthier society and things are cheaper. it's just really important for the social fabric. >> what is your favorite part of the bible was the part about the tax cuts and you can't keep the tax cuts and the health care. >> and jesus said pay your taxes, and stop complaining, dammit. i want to take issue with one thing you said. because i don't think it is progressive christianity to help the sick -- >> right. >> if you are a conservative

christian that means you go to the square root of what jesus stood for, and you are all about helping the pour helping the sick, avoiding violence and being kind of convicts. >> right, and i feel like there's probably some conservative and fundamentalist christians screaming at the radio, i'm the one that thinks we should be like jesus -- >> i'm picking a fight here. >> all right. i believe there are many many people who believe health care should be able to the children and the poor. i want the guys picking my vegetables not to be tuberculosis. [ laughter ] >> i don't think it's helpful -- i think what is helpful to understand it's the

patient protection and affordable healthcare act, and what it was is it makes us all have to buy insurance, but not from the government -- it's not government provided. that's what people don't understand. >> exactly. you are buying a company's product. >> that's really the reason that i think that a lot of progressives are unhappy,we really wanted medicare for all, we say. or some kind of basic level of health care and -- that would be just available to people who are in this country. >> yeah. >> but -- but it's not that yet. we'll get there, i think, but at this moment it's really an experiment to see if we can control costs. the insurance companies now have to spend 80% of the dollar you give them on health care. >> but what about all of the wonderful commercials that are so entertaining. do you get creeped out when you see how many insurance ads are

on tv? i'm like is this where my premiums are going? >> i don't think i'm qualified to diagnose myself with a 30-second commercial. medicine should be for when you are sick and need to get well not ask your doctor about -- >> doctors are dealers now. travon you just got an email -- >> i did. i got my first socialist email from some guy named joe. he says the affordable health care act is socialist and not a tax cut, but i think the congressional budget office begs to differ because you get a $5,000 tax credit if you have health insurance and only 1% of the people will pay the penalty,

and it's only for people who can afford it and choose not to have the insurance. >> beginning in 2004 the affordable care act will give millions of families large tax credits. these far outstrip the responsibility payments paid by the tiny percentage of people who will volunteerly turn down health insurance. only 1.2% will pay this subsidy. the shared responsibility penalty will help offset some of this expense. the affordable care act is a major tax class for the middle class. can i get a hell ya! [ applause ] >> we're getting together with the community to promote the general welfare. >> i want to take a moment and

do something really outrageous. i want to take the term pro life and make it bigger. because women and children are going to be great big beneficiaries of the affordable care act and the reason why is now pregnancy will no longer be a preexisting condition. so if you want insurance and you are pregnant, they won't cover your pregnancy no matter what. so no matter what happens to you, then you are just bankrupted for that bundle of joy. >> yep. >> and society has said we want your house and we want your credit rating and everything just because you chose quote unquote, to have unprotected sex or sex at all. so i think women and children will benefit greatly. >> the number one cause of bankruptcy in our country is inability to pay health care costs. if you don't want to safe

american lives, then don't call yourself a patriot, and if you are afraid of the competition of a public option or cheaper canadian drugs, you can't call yourself a capitolism. >> it was amazing how many people said they were moving to canada -- >> right. and rush limbaugh said he was moves to costa rica. >> exactly. in the u.s. women are way down on the list of health care -- >> that can't be true, because mitch mcconnell said we have the greatest health care system in the world. >> exactly if you can get it. >> they just twist it around and

lie about it, and they get away with it. >> i think it's too bad it has become this political punching bag, because in fact it's the republicans, and good for them, i guess, who came up with the idea of having an individual mandate. that was really a republican idea. and it does place responsibility on the individual. and all of us pay huge healthcare premiums because people wait until they are so sick that they go to the emergency room -- >> it was a republican plan and republican supreme court justice appointment who signed it into law, and a democrat got it past and it infuriates republicans. >> i really wish we had a more

medicare for all option. i'm sort of bipartisan -- >> of course. and we know that would have been impossible. and there are those who say this penalty fee is the gateway to somehow opening this up now. >> right. >> and tom hartman has eloquently spoken about how the president can sign a two-paragraph statement opening it up. >> romney keeps preaching repeal and replace but no replacement plan. >> right exactly. >> his plan sounded a lot like what we have now. >> yeah exactly. the paul ryan plan which would end medicare as we know it. if your medical costs exceeded over $15,000, you would have the freedom, old lady old man, you would have the freedom to go

purchase your own private plan on the market, but since mitt romney has become president and repealed obamacare then preexisting conditions are back. so you are asking seniors if you have more than 15,000 you can purchase a plan, so, yeah you are going to die. that's what it is. >> he said that on leno, where if you have a condition, sorry. >> and ron paul even said get rid of medicare and replace it with transitional programs. >> and he is a doctor. >> what do you mean transitional programs? like what? >> what does that mean? >> kevorkian care? >> sandie you mentioned sex. >> i did? >> exactly. jesus talked about sex.

he didn't condemn gay people never condemned abortion or premarital sex and all of the sex hang ups we talk about comes from st. paul. he seems like the guy with the hangups, where. is that fair? >> i'm not sure that is fair. paul gets a bad rap, but there were a lot of early women leaders, but paul was trying to keep people alive. remember in the roman empire if you do anything -- it's very much like "the hunger games" they would just put you in the arena and that was that. and so i think you have to give him a pass a little bit. >> where the romans were the ones with no sex hang ups. >> i want to go back to the adulteress, because she gets thrown into this group of people

that are ready to stone here. and jesus is writing in the sand and he said let the one without throw the first stone. but why is she the only one on the ground? >> yeah, where is the guy? >> and that's kind of how women are in the world. we really want to know like where is the guy? >> exactly. >> and you talked about sex with a woman and a caller but a woman and a caller is kind of a scandal for a lot of people. >> oh, i know. that's why i am glad you wore it. >> so the sacred worth of women is always a question. it never gets down to the brass tacks, and i just want to point out in the united states as of 2007 which is the latest reports for which we have the accurate figures, there were 28.4 deaths per 100,000 women in the u.s.

among non-hispanic black. that's women dying in the act of giving birth? our country. that's non-hispanic/black women. and for white it's 10.5 women per 100,000. and that's a question to poverty and access to health care and access to healthy foods and all of those things, and if we are talking pro-life, we want to save the life of the infant and we want that mother to be healthy too, because she is raising a family. >> isn't it her fault for being pour? >> and pregnant. but what we're really saying is we don't have women to have sex, which is strange because everywhere we look it looks like people want women to have sex.

>> exactly. sandie how can people find out for about you. >> you can go to my website, or i'm at sandie on twitter. and i am the downtown l.a. revs by the way. but find me on twitter at sandia richards that's the best way. sandie. >> it is such a pleasure to have you here. >> it's so great to with you and travon. >> and i even say to my atheist friends, it's about taking jesus back from the hypocrites. >> right. and i think in this nation we are supposed to respect each other's right to choose whatever

religion or non-religion you choose -- >> and i'm tired about disrespect against atheists. >> i believe the whole universe is under god. and my nationhood and christianity are often at odds. so i don't really want to nationalize my christianity. >> and saying under god was only added in the 50s. >> that's right. and the name calling is so unhelpful. >> what a pleasure. >> thank you so much. >> we'll be right back with more on the "stephanie miller show." >> it's really weird, but it's also the coolest thing i have ever heard in my whole life. >> announcer: it is the "stephanie miller show." ♪ septic disasters are disgusting and

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♪ you want to rumble in my jungle i'll take you on you want to rumble [ inaudible ] ♪ >> it's the stephanie miller. i'm john fugelsang. along with travon freeh. i won you over with that one, right? oh you are a fundamentalist. it's great to be here. travon, you enjoying the experience? >> absolutely. i'm getting great emails. >> you have been a socialist for the first time? >> i have been inaugurated. >> wanda is joining us right now.

wanda where are you running for congress. >> i am running for congress against republican add dam [ inaudible ]. i am not a politician. and nine years ago when i became paralyzed i had my life saved by the social safety net. so my life was redrawn as a republican give away. i got on the ballot the hard way. i had to convince people to let me be the candidate and get the signatures, and we did that about a month ago. but i'm not getting support from the dccc because they think this is too conservative. >> really? >> yeah. >> i have a completely volunteer staff. i believe we need to take our house back, and to do that we need support, both volunteers

and obviously [ inaudible ]. when opponent is incredibly well funded. eric cantor's pac give him $25,000. so you know he is his boy. and last week when we had -- when we celebrated the aca being upheld my opponent put out a statement saying he voted 40 times to repeal it. >> wow. wanda how can people learn more about your campaign, and how can we draw traffic to the campaign you are running? >> our website is rohoforcongress.com. we are on facebook at ronda roho for congress.

and we really need the support. and we find it's really important to take back our house. >> fantastic. wanda send me some links, and i'll be happy to reprint it on the john fugelsang page. >> we have to get money out of politics because otherwise we'll go through this same stuff all the time. >> yeah. it's always gone on, but it's like the struggle of between democracy and arross krasy are still out there. we're coming back with great guests in the next and final hour on the stephanie miller. you are walking liberally on

current tv. the governor tomorrow night. rr [♪ theme music ♪] it's the "stephanie miller show." on current tv. i'm john fugelsang. beginning my last four of filling in for stephanie miller of the entire week. i guess they have heard your angry letters and tweets. and i'm very very sad because this is my last time to throw it to the amazing jacki schechner. are you having a good morning? >> i am having a great morning. are you a girl talk fan? >> oh, yeah.

>> i loved the elvis castelow show too. >> yeah. >> what is going on jacki? >> we're talking about the jobs numbers obviously this morning, and mitt romney spoke just a little while ago weighing in from a hardware store in new hampshire even though we though he made much of his fortune from bain capital, he is now advocating cracking down on china as a solution to unemployment. the "washington post" talked to a couple of economists who said mitt romney's plan will make little to no difference in the short term and possibly could make the situation worse. the president has a preplanned

event in ohio. we hope to have information for you on it. but in the meantime we have advise from alan krueger who says we weren't creating enough jobs before the recession, and that's why we are having a problem now. meanwhile the karl rove cross road's gps group had wasted no time putting out a advertisement attacking the president, the jobs numbers, and the debt. take a look. >> america's jobless rate is still too high. >> the ad is part of the $25 million campaign airing in nine states over the next month. the obama campaign has filed a complaint with the fcc demanding that it discloses its donors. we're going to keep an eye on what the president is saying about the jobs numbers.

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we have had some great guests, but when they first asked me to come in for the week, the first person that i pitched was our next guest. katherine is a journalist and her recent piece on the fast and furious scandal or lack thereof made waves throughout the entire american scene. the piece is called the truth about the fast and furious. do yourself a favor and arm yourself with the facts by reading her piece. she has written a follow-up piece called fast and furious follow up, atf and gun stores. i hah the privilege of interviewing her last week on the eliot spitzer show. i was shocked at the amount of disinformation that has been flooding the airwaves. good morning.

>> thanks for having me. >> thank you. i have a lot of questions to ask, but i think the greatest misconception is people don't realize the atf had no policy to intentionally permit weapons to be trafficked. >> people have referred to gun walking or fast and furious as a, quote unquote, program. the issue is what were the tactics used in the case of fast and furious? and what we say in our article is that the atf had no operational tactic to allow guns to flow across the border into the hands of mexican drug cartels. >> none whatsoever this was done independently and it wasn't a government or atf program, correct? >> what i focused on in my reporting was what actually

happened in fast and furious. and the allegation has been made that the agents tactic was to sit back let straw purchasers who were fronting for the cartels go and buy guns and watch those guns flow to the mexican drug cartels to bring down the guys on the other end. and what my reporting shows is what atf agents had was a long-protected battle with prosecutors over whether they had the legal grounds to arrest these straw purchasers and interdict guns, and prosecutors in weighing the evidence -- and one can argue with the judgments they made determine in fact they lacked probable cause to be able to seize the guns in large part because the purchases were legal. >> exactly -- they were

conducted in america? phoenix, correct? >> correct. in america in phoenix from licensed gun dealers and the people making the purchases had no criminal backgrounds and they were 18 years old. so under the law in arizona you are allowed to buy as many guns as we want. and because we are a nation of laws, just because the activity looks suspicious does not mean you can make an arrest. >> these guns weren't shipped across the border secretly but the goal was eventually they would lead agents to the head of drug cartels, correct? that was i guess, vague goal of the gun-walking operation. >> the goal of whom? >> well, i guess of the atf, the genesis of the idea of the original project of gun runner under president bush's administration was that

eventually these weapons would be traceable and we would be able to follow the guns to the heads of cartels in an attempt to fight the drug war. >> no the goal of gun runner was if you keep taking out these straw purchasers it's like -- as one person said to me -- it's like mowing your lawn to get rid of weeds, right? the weeds just come up again. so in order to really cut down in a meaningful way on gun trafficking is to dismantle the networks. that doesn't necessarily mean that you allow guns to walk but what it means is that you are going to be conducting a complex, multi-defendant investigation of these gun trafficking networks. now, you know, that was the mandate of phoenix group 7.

but that is not the same thing as having a mandate to walk guns. >> you have interviewed an atf agent in phoenix and part of this organization and apparently his greatest problem was as you said getting support from the government in terms of handling this problem once it had begun. >> you know, the government -- this was a big case. it was called an [ inaudible ] case, which means it is an organized crime case, but it also means they were as a group more firmly under the direction of prosecutors. and what prosecutors were saying to them is on the face of it these sales are legal. you do not have grounds to seize these guns so what we recommend is that you go up on a wiretap in order to get concrete evidence that these straw purchasers are in fact being directed by cartel members. and that is a way to bring this

down. >> go ahead, please. >> well, i was just going to say that people -- people argue, well, were the gun sales legal? they were not legal because these straw purchasers go into a gun store fill out a form in which they have to check a box to certify that they intent to buy the gun for themselves. >> uh-huh. >> so critics say well if in fact they were buying them for the cartels and not for themselves, then that purchase was a felony, and atf had probable cause to make an arrest. but in fact the prosecutors in the case had determined that the transfer of the firearms from the straw purchasers to others was also legal even if they did check the box. so there is a lot of dispute

about how prosecutors made their judgment calls. you know, but the fact of the matter is, the atf was working under those prosecutors, and those prosecutors are in charge of calling the laws and it's not up to -- you know sitting in washington, d.c. in an air conditioned office to determine whether the atf had proper evidence at the time or not. i mean that -- that's really at the heart of this. >> and it was attorney general holder who stap -- stopped this program, correct? >> it was not a program, again. but the question was were guns even be walked in the first place. >> exactly. and i was shocked to hear that some of the buyers people putting down as much as 20 grand, and then delivering the

weapons to other people that some of the buyers were not even old enough to buy beer yet? >> that's right. these were 18 year old kids who were being tapped by cartel recruiters to buy these weapons. and you say that's outrageous and of course they were involved in illegal activity. but there's what you think, what you know and what you are prove, and the first two don't count. that is the reality of law enforcement you can't make arrests of people that you think are behaving suspiciously. you need to have grounds. >> uh-huh. what would you say then is the greatest public misconception about fast and furious of all of the talking points we have been hearing over the past year? >> i would say the greatest

misconception is that the atf agents planned and wanted and desired and sought to have the guns flow to mexico. because the facts of this case show that whenever prosecutors did tell them that they had probable cause to seize weapons, they did. >> uh-huh. >> they seized -- you know over 100 weapons in the course of this investigation. so if their plan is to allow guns to flow, where are they seizing them? >> uh-huh. >> you know, why are they -- why are they spending so much sweat equity trying to satisfy prosecutors' concerns gather the evidence, and in fact seizing guns when ever they could. >> that's incredible and that's essentially the core argument of daryle isis investigation. and try telling that to some of your friends out there. i have one last question for

you, it's a bit dodgy, but do you feel the tragic and preventable death of border agent brian terry has been exploited for political gain in this case? >> i can't answer that from my personal opinion. >> okay. >> but i will say that i have had atf agents who decided to speak with me in part because they felt that and they felt that a disservice was being done to his family. >> great. we can follow you on twitter as well, correct? >> yes, that's right. >> thank you so much for coming on the show to talk about this. i thank you for the conciseness and searing accuracy of your report. thank you so much. >> thanks so much for having me. >> this is all i hear from my

right-wing friends. obama is sending guns to the mexican cartels and it's all lies. >> and they are going after holer's head for it. >> and we find out last week that darrell issa was willing to drop all of the charges if lanny brewer would resign. he just wanted a scalp. and they are using the tragic death of this boarder agent to get passions inflamed. >> and i saw they are using this as a way to attack obama. >> of course. >> and giving guns to bad guys is really deeply evil unless it is iran and you are oliver north or ronald reagan. >> right. >> when we come back after the break we have something really funny and true stories about how the right-wing has been trying to sabotage progressive comedy

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tony how it is going so far? i'm sorry i'm looking at you and talking to tony -- travon, i know what he is thinking? >> this is great. i love it. >> it's great having you here. and you get the prize of the day for the best joke about romney's offshore accounts. >> mitt romney where do you keep your money -- ♪ bermuda, bahama ♪ >> we have the sexy liberal showing here on saturday of this month. >> this is a special callout to all of your l.a. progressives out there. a short-distance dedication. the stephanie miller sexy liberal comedy tour is coming back to hollywood, california. ♪ show me love up in the club ♪ >> on saturday july 28th the world famous pantages theater

will host the comedy trio. tickets are currently available online at ticketmaster.com, at the pantages theater box office or by calling. a portion of the evening's proceeds will be donated to the trevor project. that's the sexy liberal comedy tour july 28th at the pantages theater. >> so do yourself a favor if you are anywhere near get over here. we did two shows last year -- >> yeah, i wasn't able to make it, i definitely want to come to this one. >> we'll sneak you in definitely. the right-wing really did

anything they could to shut this tour down. our tour director was offered $10,000 if he would drop this tour by an anonymous donor. that is completely true. when we played philly someone pulled the fire alarm. and i don't understand why they are so afraid of comedians. and they are doing it again. they did it relentliest to the sexy liberal and last night i got a posting on facebook saying that the show hal and i are doing is tomorrow night. we had someone posting purposefully incorrect information -- >> it's no different than the voter thing.

how bad is your message -- >> yes, it's about power, and it's about stopping your enemies rather than letting them have their fair say and it's completely insane. so, yes if you heard the wrong information that show is tonight in santa fe. and let's go to chicago. hello? >> hi. >> hi. is this maria from chicago? >> it sure is. >> welcome to the "stephanie miller show." >> thank you for taking my call. >> you're on with john fugelsang and travon free. >> hello, travon. i'm really enjoying the show. >> thank you. >> what is up. >> i'm the not so official stalker of the "stephanie miller show." i'm coming to see your show

tonight in santa fe. >> wow. hal sparks is a very sexy man. >> you know, i'm getting confused i don't know who to obsess over more you, hal aisha. and now i have to add travon to the mix as well. >> oh no. i just want a monogamous stalker. can't you just commit to one person to be creepy around. [ laughter ] >> i would say stock aisha tyler, she is the hottest of all of us. >> she really is. >> we had a show with her in boston last year. did you get to see any of the aisha tyler show. >> yes, i went to detroit. and i had the sheer pleasure of

hearing aretha franklin giggle like a schoolgirl. >> yes it was just incorrodable. >> it was amazing. >> all right. i'm thrilled. we'll look for you tonight. >> i positively adore you guys you are keeping me sane. >> oh that means so much. stephanie miller has the sexiest audience members. in the comedy tour i play the role of tour. and our album is for sale on itunes and amazon. check that out. lots more to come right after the break on the "stephanie miller show." ♪

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so check that out, y'all. >> you are the boss. >> it's the "stephanie miller show." it's friday before the break. and it has been really wonderful filling in all week. last week in new york i was filling in for governor eliot spitzer and i had the real pleasure to interview david brody, and he had a new book out about how the tea party and the evangelicals are teaming up to bight the democratic party. i really think he is a very fair minded, reasonable guy. so david brody what a pleasure. welcome to the "stephanie miller show." >> john great to be with you. this isn't a man crush or is it -- >> if i said i was a man crush would that get you thrown out of

the tea party? >> it could violate some kind of agreement. >> actually they are not the homophobes. they want the lower taxes. but the evangelicals are the ones that have raging homophobes. >> yes. >> you have got the libertarian wing of the tea party melding with the evangelicals, which i find fascinating. wouldn't you think those folks could have a hard time hitching their wagon with folks who have no problem same-sex marriages? >> well, evangelicals are able

to put some of their personal ideas aside because they believe in the return of constitutional government. i was on a show one time and the host said wait a minute they want to take back america? take it back to where exactly? they are simply looking at the founding of this country. this is a traditional argument from a conservative standpoint. >> okay. and of course the libertarians are the ones who pointed out -- and i'll throw an example at you -- the iraq war is anything but constitutional and ron paul has been one of the fearless people to say only congress gets to declare war. and yet the evangelical population were really behind

the iraq war. i mean you know -- so my problem with the modern evangelical movement is that a lot of their socially conservative positions seem to fly in the face of the actual teaching of jesus, is that a fair critique? >> well it is a critique, but fair is the operative word. they will go to the just war theory, but the point is that there are times in the bible where god does sanction war, and what we're seeing is the budget and the moral plan for the budget -- >> let's talk about it right now. because i agree with you that a budget is a moral document. >> sure. >> i tremble in my boots about

the fact of medicare being dismantled for this voucher program that would leave seniors to get individual plans. when you talk about a budget being a moral document one of the things i have never understood is how you can think that going into the ballot box and voting against the teachings of christ is balanced out by the fact that you give to charity in your spare time. >> well, let's make a fair distinction, conservative evangelicals are very concerned about their medicare or medicaid being taken away as well. >> indeed. >> and here is the other point, paul ryan's budget obviously doesn't talk about cutting medicare or medicaid for anyone over 55 plus anyhow -- >> not right now but down the road. >> i guess you can make that argument. but the evangelicals will talk

about the prudent see danger and fake refuge. if you see a danger on the horizon, it is the moral thing to do to let everyone know this is coming and not leave people out in lurch. let's do a phase in or phase out of these cuts. >> how come they are never talking about cutting our insanely bloated military budget? unless there's aliens and our government knows about it isn't what president eisenhower warned us about? it's the wars that made us poor. it's the bush tax cuts that have

made us poor. why would evangelical folks trust their money with the republican party? >> well i think this gets into what is our definition of patriotism. a strong military means you need certain amount of -- whether it be billions of dollars exactly in terms of defending this country from a military perspective -- >> but who is the enemy now? it's guys with box cutters. i give credit to the current pentagon chief for making cuts and by shifting more of our military spending towards new aircraft carriers to the south china sea. that to me seems prudent. >> and i know military spending would be obviously all part of this budget debate that we're having, but the way the

evangelicals see it is that there is so much waste in so many other places, and they don't believe the military would be the first place you would look for it. >> of course, and i totally respect that argument but we haven't seen a gop president balance a budget once since nixon. and when you consider barack obama has overseen the lowest growth in government spending since eisenhower, i come back to the question is it is the socially conservative politics they talk. >> you line up evangelicals in the street and i guarantee you they will have major problems -- >> the tea party started by the ron paul guys who were disgusted by the way george bush was spending money. >> that was it. and that is something i point out in the book. >> this is travon i don't meet

very many tea party people in my daily life -- >> you were born in compton --. >> right. [ laughter ] >> i understand the way you guys think, but as a person who considers himself to be not a non-religious person why should someone like myself and other americans who don't take sides in any type of religious thinking, why should we be governed by people who want to place their beliefs in policy to force us to live a certain way? and that's just coming from a place of thinking -- >> sure. >> i feel like we all have the same freedom under the constitution, so why can't i choose to live my life the way i can choose to, so everyone has the same rights equality and you can choose to live your personal life with any type of belief you choose. >> that's a great point. and here is a news flash.

these t-vangelicals they don't want to turn this nation into a, quote, christian nation. they do believe it is a christian nation -- >> and a lot of them don't believe in a wall of separation between church and state. >> correct. but they are able to check the religion at the evangelical door. and that's important. is there moral underpinnings and judao christian principals that influence how they few policies but president obama would say the exact same thing about his religion as well. it's not evangelicals have a corner on this market. >> absolutely. but do you receiver see the followers of jesus hitching

their wagons to the followers of aian rand. >> i have asked ron paul and arand rand's followers that same thing. ron paul says he is able to separate the too -- >> rand let's point out despited christiany. >> exactly. you line ten t-vangelicals up on the street and i guarantee they

wouldn't know who aian rand is. >> right. i have this debate with my evangelical loved ones all of the time. where do you get off on despiting the concept of gay marriage especially in a liberty-based society from your christian point of view when jesus never said a thing against gay people? >> well, there's quite a few verses -- i'm not going to go three logan on you -- >> oh, you can. >> probably the last person that could argue theologically, there are quite a few people who can do that better than i can. >> i'm talking jesus -- i'm not talking about -- >> jesus refers back to the old testament as it relates to homosexuality -- >> he refers to sod -- sod 'em

and gomorrah -- >> a lot of liberals get caught up on the idea how evangelicals -- but the other part that they don't understand is that evangelicals are also points out the sins in their own lives -- >> and same for the catholics yes. >> yes, they are holding each other accountable within their own communities. we all hear about homosexuality is a sin, but so is lying, stealing -- and evangelicals do lie, cheat, and steal, and for people to think that evangelicals are perfect -- >> but they are not trying to stop liars from getting married. >> yeah, good point. good point. but they are also not the ones that started the argument. it was -- it is the homosexual

community that has decided to make this -- they are exercising their -- their free -- their rights here to do what they want to do under the law if you will. but it's just evangelicals are pushing back against it. it's not that they started that argument. >> i thought it was the bush administration -- >> it was 2004 where karl rove really hammered it home. [ overlapping speakers ] >> gay -- >> it didn't become a ballot box issue until that time. >> here is the beauty -- i said the beauty -- >> please give us some beauty. >> 60% of the tea party is socially conservative, and is the tea party about gay marriage and the social issues?% absolutely not. there is no attempt -- except maybe in some small places -- but there are no overt

attempts to make this a social movement -- >> true. >> even though 60% of the tea party are social conservatives. they are able to say we're going to take our ball and play somewhere else with those issues -- >> okay. but let me ask you a really big question then, why are these people fighting so hard for rich people to get another tax cut? because that is the core of every republican argument is to do what bush did only deeper. lower taxes on these job creators, who weren't creating jobs, and yet i see these working class folks say -- i said does it bother you at all that mitt romney made $20 million off of interest and pays 13% in taxes. what is the deal to take care of

the poor and yet they keep voting to take care of the rich. >> the way they look at capitalism, they don't see anything wrong with all due respect to michael moore they don't see anything with capitalism -- >> neither does michael moore, he sees something wrong with greed and a stacked deck. >> sure. but when it comes to -- >> david i'm sorry to cut you off. but this is the argument i always get. i say jesus tells you to help the poor yet you vote against helping the poor consistently and say i write it off by giving to charity. >> here their part of it they believe private industry private churches the church is responsible for taking care of the poor -- >> but david in the ballot box they advocate all of the teachings of their faith. that's the part i can't get

around. conservatives give more than liberals, great. but in the ballot box they drop all of their christianity and vote the all-might dollar, and you know it is true, david. >> it's an interesting point, and i have to tell you that what they say -- what they see trumps that argument, john is that the government is getting bigger, god is getting smaller, and they don't like the fact that the government is overreaching that trumps -- >> but they voted for reagan who grew the government by 61,000. why do they still trust the republicans who govern -- they run on social conservatives, but when republicans get in office david, you know it is true they govern just like the democratic stereo type. >> and that's why the tea party was formed. they don't trust the republicans, but it's closest to their set of value that we're talking about, but it's not necessarily a carbon copy of

their values for sure. >> david, i thank you so much for the call. >> it's good to be on with you. >> thank you so much. >> thanks, john. >> fascinating guy. and he is wrong about everything, but still he is a deseptember guy, and i could debate this all night. but we'll be back with the waning minutes of "stephanie miller show." deeply offensive song parity from rocky mountain mike coming up. >> announcer: facts are slide whistles [ whistling ] . it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ this week, failing is good and wall street is bad. what else does vc billionaire vinod khosla think?

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